| LED Digest 1756: More on Mozilla, also Unwanted Links |
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================================================== The LED Digest Moderated Discussion List "Effective Online Advertising, Since 1997" pair Networks: The LED's Web Host Hosting and Domain Reg. from a Trusted Leader pair.com for Hosting | pairNIC.com for Domains ================================================== List Moderator: Published by: Adam Audette LED Digest adam,led-digest.com http://www.led-digest.com ................................................ February 26, 2004 Issue #1756 ................................................ .....IN THIS DIGEST..... ==== CONTINUING ================= --== Unrelated, Unsavory & Unwanted Links ==-- ~ Donald Nelson "I read with interest...because it is similar to a problem that I have." ~ Ian Dickson "The basic architecture of the web is that I can link wherever I want to." --== Mozilla vs Internet Explorer ==-- ~ Steve Marriott "Anyone else who has also followed this thread must have noticed two distinct camps..." ~ Dale Kay "I have not seen [a browser] yet I would risk my company on that surpasses IE." ==== BILLBOARD =================== --== Merchant Accounts for Non-US Residents ==-- ~ David J Driscoll ===== CONTINUING ================================= From: Donald Nelson Subject: Unsavory links > Is it possible that links from unsavory sites influence > Google's algorithm? Is it possible to get Google not > to include or consider them as legit links when spidering > and evaluating my site? - William Ernest Waites, LED 1754 Dear All, I read with interest the email of William Ernest Waites because it is similar to a problem that I have. When viewing my referrer information for the past weeks, I see that I am getting visits to my site that were referred by some very strange sites: hardcore pornography, online gambling and online medication sales. There are six sites sending traffic and the same amount of traffic every day. I clicked through on one of the links to see if my link was actually on the other page. I was really grossed out by what I saw, but proceeded to the source view of the page and searched for my domain, but couldn't find any link. I have a feeling that this is a new technique of traffic generation by the owners of these websites: they know that webmasters click through on referrer links in site statistics and somehow have found a way to send traffic to me in hopes that I will click back to them. Does anyone else have experience with this, and does anyone know of a way to end this kind of "traffic". Sincerely, Donald Nelson www.a1-optimization.com ------- new post - same topic -------- From: Ian Dickson Subject: Unsavory links Do you vet all your buyers to make sure that they are buying for the right reasons? I doubt it. The basic architecture of the web is that I can link wherever I want to. A site owner might ask me nicely not to do so, or they might even have some unenforceable waffle about not allowing unauthorised linking, but at the end of the day I, as a site designer, can do whatever I like. (Short of passing off their content as mine). In a sense a site is the passive female recipient of the male active link principle:-) Or, to put it another way, what do you care what other people think about you, (even if it's people you don't like thinking you are quite good). Summary - relax and concentrate on accentuating the positive (after all, your other customers have no idea that some people are following from iffy links). Cheers Ian Dickson http://www.commkit.com ------- new post - new topic ------- From: Steve Marriott Subject: Mozilla Hi everyone. I would like to make further observations on the Mozilla v's IE battle. For battle it seems to be, not just at the corporate level but here in discussion forums also. My original response at the start of this thread was around the question of which should be the lowest common denominator, designing for the greatest numbers using any particular browser (unarguably IE) or designing for all browser functionality. Anyone else who has also followed this thread must have noticed two distinct camps and I would choose to identify them thus. There are first the techies, people who come at web design from a programming perspective. They, I would also describe as more purist in approach. Much the same as many other kinds of trades people (description used advisedly), they will be able to recommend the best solution in their chosen field (usually highly expensive, specialised and with limited demand), so it is with computer people. They will wax lyrical about the joys of using browsers such as Mozilla. Second there are the designers, ex print, multimedia, graphic, those who just manage a website, whatever. They need to reach a mass market, using whatever mass marketing techniques are available and the bottom line is not whether a browser is WC3 compliant, its which browser is in most households. Personally I have little concern for which browser is dominant and why. As long as I am not prevented from displaying the sites I want to build and in a way that I have designed them, the label is not important. I don't mind if many people rip the sites I build apart. There are critics of Rembrandt and Warhol as well as Bill Gates. If my sites display how I want them to on 95%+ computers, well I know of nowhere else where I could get that kind of coverage. In recent years I have seen a radical change in the way other media is changing and adapting to society and culture. In particular print products have exploded exponentially in their variety, but the man on the street (sic) has little concern for the processes involved. However I am sure there would be a great deal less interest in print media if everything had to conform to A4 size, 14pt text and hardback bindings (except for purists of course). In any case the discussion is circular with regards to browser preference. You may be assured that if Mozilla were the dominant browser, there would be many complaints about its incapability's and other incongruities and that some small browser (IE perhaps) was a far better product. Thanks to you all for an entertaining discussion thread and may you all prosper, whatever browser you design for. Steve Marriott ------- new post - same topic ------- From: Dale Kay Subject: Mozilla My web logs show 90%+ IE and have done so for many a year. I use to develop some for Netscape but drop them when AOL took over. I much prefer IE over other browsers I have seen and feel it is the lack of education on the users part that is most of the problems. MS continues to update and fix as it is found to be lacking as well as adding new improvements. I am happy with that, so are my users. I system admin for several companies as well as full day job doing the same. All IE. While I would love to see a "better mouse trap", I think most companies think enterprise level and will stick to standards if they want to be around. I will check out other browsers. I have not seen one yet I would risk my company on that surpasses IE. Dale Kay, Administrator Kay-Net.com ==== BILLBOARD ==================================== From: David J Driscoll Subject: PayPal > I moved my business to USA from South Africa last month. > Securing credit card merchant facilities has been arduous > because most US banks and other businesses are not > interested in credit references from abroad. - Dudley Dix, LED 1755 In regard to setting up a merchant account, the best way for you to do that is to set up your deposit account with a bank that is also a merchant acquirer. Money talks as they say and a bank will be much more favorably inclined when they see cash flow through your account. The key is to find a bank that provides merchant accounts. Most credit card issuing banks got out of the business so you have to do some research. David J Driscoll ------------------------------------------------------- The LED Digest is sponsored by pair Networks: pair.com for Hosting | pairNIC.com for Domains Copyright 1995-2004 Adam Audette. All Rights Reserved. ----------------------------------------------------------------- "The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." - Theodore Rubin |
