| LED Digest 1841: How Much HTML Do You Really Know? |
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July 16, 2004 Issue #1841 ................................................ .....IN THIS DIGEST..... ==== CONTINUING ================= --== Site Redesign Blues ==-- ~ Lee Roberts "...many people that think they know HTML don't realize how little they know." --== The End of Email as You Know It? ==-- ~ Charles Miesel "What has become a plague is one of domain accounts..." ~ Tom Aman "You have to take time to learn to interpret [message headers]..." ==== BILLBOARD =================== --== Random Spam Email ==-- ~ Derek Andrews ===== CONTINUING ================================= From: Lee Roberts Subject: Redesign blues > ... HTML is far simpler to learn than learning your fourth > grade "times tables." I've yet to find someone who couldn't > be moderately proficient in two weeks using something > such as the "HTML for Dummies" publication... - Bill Davison, LED 1838 > Here are the basics: Tags are enclosed in brackets <tag>. Tags > are opened with the ordinary bracket, and closed with a </tag> > (bracket with a slash). HTML pages begin with <.html> and end > with <./html>. - Kathryn Martyn, LED 1840 Well, HTML is simple to learn but there's a lot more to it than these two people make one believe. First, <tag> is a bracket. That's called an open tag. And it is surrounded by a less than and a greater than sign. I'm sure there are at least two people besides myself that have dealt with the old WordStar, Word Perfect, and Word versions that used tags similar to HTML tags. That was an easy conversion for some. I would venture to bet that several of the people that think they know HTML couldn't define a tag if they had to. Those books and small articles don't cover the nuts and bolts. Neither do they cover the issues of browser compatibility. You can't learn that from "HTML for Dummies". I've been watching the thread and waiting for someone to come up with Microsoft's definition of a Front Page user. I even went to find it on the site. Formerly, Microsoft declared FrontPage as a personal webpage designer. Their professional tool is InterDev. FrontPage is offering more to the designer, but I still won't hire anyone that has used that tool. And for anyone that says they've developed web pages using any other Microsoft tool, I wouldn't hire them either unless it was InterDev. People that say they hand code these days don't. They use tools that build out a template of code and then start plugging in codes that auto complete. Type in a <.p> and the software closes the tag automatically. That's not hand coding. Taking Notepad and starting from the beginning is hand coding. More than likely no one does that based upon what I've read in this thread. I used text editors for years and moved to HomeSite and now Dreamweaver, but only in code view. 20 year with carpal tunnel just makes me want to save as many keystrokes as possible. Although this email may not appear that way. I'd like to have an editor that would work Dragon Naturally Speaking. I'd cruise then. But, back on topic. As Kathryn pointed out, there's a lot more to it. I don't know if she realized she implied that. But, it is clear that many people that think they know HTML don't realize how little they know. Building a page with an image and no text isn't what I would call a web designer. Sincerely, Lee Roberts ------- new post - new topic ------- From: Charles Miesel Subject: End of Email > I know this must be a stupid question, but why aren't mail > servers configured to detect and delete spam / viruses / > worms on out-going mail rather than incoming mail? - Brett Swooshman, LED 1838 On most of my email accounts SPAM is a minor issue. What has become a plague is one of domain accounts. The Korean, Russian and Europian Spammers (hoodlums) harvested a few of my addresses I used to service an ezine I was publishing. This has proliferated to point that I have 20 server-side keyword filters (delete when subject="teen" for example), as well as SpamAssassin set on delete. And to catch the few that are not filtered I use MailwasherFree. This extroardinary combination saves me from handling over 300 emails per day. Not to be outdone yet though, the gangsters are using my domain name as a false source for other SPAM, the IP is overseas. It looks like garbage random alphanumerics @ mydomain.com. If the international community, including dictatorships, begin to jointly apply pressure to rogue and insecure mail servers we may have an answer. Charles Miesel ezbesthost.biz ------- new post - same topic -------- From: Tom Aman Subject: End of Email > I'd have to disagree with the idea of spending 5 to 10 minutes > a day on [reporting spam]. In my experience at least 99% of the > spam is sent from non-traceable addresses, with spoofed > addresses, non-working links, etc. It's just a huge waste of > my time... - Kathryn Martyn, LED 1839 Have to disagree with this. A little examination of the message headers will usually let you identify the real source. While spammers will try to spoof addresses, the faked headers can usually be picked out and the nature of Internet email means that some of the information (usually IP addresses) have to be correct. The trick is to learn to identify the fake information. Don't believe everything you see in the headers. You have to take time to learn to interpret them. For example, a message that includes a "From: This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it " contains no headers indicating any "demon.co.uk" server as a source but does contain an initial "Received" header starting with "Received: from hotmail.com ([61.136.183.10])" that would seem to indicate the message originated from hotmail.com. The spammer can fake the domain (hotmail.com), but not the IP since it is inserted by the receiving mail server. In actual fact the IP address of 61.136.183.10 indicates the origin is from a block of addresses controlled by China Telecom and the China Telecom listing includes the information "trouble: send spam reports to This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it " It took me less than two minutes to determine this and another minute to send an email, including a copy of the related spam, to This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it . Tom Aman Aman Software http://www.cyberspyder.com ==== BILLBOARD ==================================== From: Derek Andrews Subject: Random email > I have been receiving spam emails that have strange strings > of words at the beginning and/or ending of the email. - Diane Dennis, LED 1839 > ... the SPAM mailing software includes a different set of > random words in different emails. The idea is that if a SPAM > filter is set to detect a large number of identical mails, it is > more likely to tag that as SPAM. So, these random words > make the emails look customized..... - Ajeet Khurana, LED 1840 I wonder what the ROI is with this tactic? Myself, if an e-mail doesn't cut to the chase and tell me what it's about in the first sentence, it will probably go straight in the trash. I am not responsive to long-winded sales pitches unless it starts with a really compelling benefit and up-front declaration of the cost. I have wondered about the purpose of these strange e-mails for some time. As a Mailwasher user, all I ever see is the first few lines which is enough for me to label the message as junk. I have never actually seen the body of one of these messages and had always assumed it was virus generated. So thanks for clearing up that mystery. Derek Andrews, woodturner Wedding Favors ~ Artisan Crafted Gifts ~ One-of-a-Kind Woodturning http://www.seafoamwoodturning.com ------------------------------------------------------- The LED Digest is sponsored by pair Networks: pair.com for Hosting | pairNIC.com for Domains Copyright 1995-2004 Adam Audette. All Rights Reserved. ----------------------------------------------------------------- "When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." - Franklin D. Roosevelt |
