| LED Digest 1894: Why Firefox? also Design Conflicts |
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================================================== The LED Digest Moderated Discussion List "Effective Online Advertising, Since 1997" pair Networks: The LED's Web Host Hosting and Domain Reg. from a Trusted Leader pair.com for Hosting | pairNIC.com for Domains ================================================== List Moderator: Published by: Adam Audette LED Digest adam,led-digest.com http://www.led-digest.com ............................................... November 11, 2004 Issue #1894 ............................................... .....IN THIS DIGEST..... ==== CONTINUING ================= <Moderator Comment> ~ Further results --== Conflicts of Interest ==-- ~ Pete LeClair "...it may also be difficult for you to separate ideas used on the first site from the second site." ~ David Chapman "There is no real conflict of interest in my view." ~ Phil Chave "The first point is to protect yourself." --== SMTP Servers & Altering the 'From' Field ==-- ~ Kevin Houston "I am already including the user's email address in the ReplyTo field..." --== Reading Digital Content ==-- ~ Kathy Wilson Anderson "PDF files are HUGE." ==== BILLBOARD =================== --== Why Firefox? ==-- ~ Dirk Johnson --== Competent Patent Attorney Needed ==-- ~ Mary Johnson ~ Martha Retallick ===== CONTINUING ================================= <Moderator Comment> Greetings LEDer, I have the latest results for you on our schedule change. I think we should wait until tomorrow to make the final decision, but so far it looks like you're pretty strongly in favor of the 3 day schedule: In favor of 3 day schedule: 24 In favor of 5 day schedule: 11 Thanks, Adam ------------------------ From: Pete LeClair Subject: Conflict of Interest > [My client's] opposition... saw [their website, which I developed] > and immediately contacted me about designing them a website. > Today my original client rang to say... that he felt I was in a very > bad "conflict of interest" position. - Mark Medlicott, LED 1893 I'd say that there is not necessarily "conflict of interest" but there is potential for it with the second client. Your second client sounds to be somewhat of an opportunist. Does he want you to copy the original clients site (already copied their flyer)? Does he want you to use materials they supplied for their website on his? If he's asking you to copy the look and feel of the original site you designed to intentionally mislead people I'd say there is a conflict of interest. If he merely wants a site designed and provides his own copy and images (or has you create original works) I'd say there is no conflict. But, it may also be difficult for you to separate ideas used on the first site from ideas for the second site. If you come up with something better for the second site your original customer may want to know why it was not implemented on their site. How much of the original site was the customers design and you merely coded the design? How much input is the second customer providing? Separation of church and lattice is a lot easier..... Best Regards, Jean-Pierre "PETE" LeClair, President The AgentZ www.agentz.com ------- new post - same topic ------- From: David Chapman Subject: Conflicts of interest There is no real conflict of interest in my view. Unless the first company specifically hired you to work as an employee, they have no rights barring you from working for or with a competitor. You would do yourself a BIG favor by adding this to your contract! And you do have one that all clients must sign, right? Out of respect and to keep the tension down, I would become creative and design a site for company # 2 differently. Not to say better than company #1 in features, but more in the line of functionality. I overcame this by first sitting down with a client and asking what he / she wants his web site to do / perform. Then I would find out how he / she would like the site to be designed (color,themes,etc.). On top of that, ask EVERY client what software is needed to be design / implemented on the site. By taking this approach, each site has its own identity and the potential conflicts of interest become minimal. And to keep one company from calling the other to brag about hiring / stealing the web designer, add your own NON-DISCLOSURE clause. Regards, David Chapman www.curbview.com ------- new post - same topic ------- From: Phil Chave Subject: Conflicts of interest What a dilemma? This is not uncommon, and it is obvious that your new customer is trying to drag you into his own underhanded way of doing business. However, as you say, you design websites, you don't sell fence panels. The first point is to protect yourself. Make sure you are going to get paid and ask for a sizeable deposit. If your new customer is just trying to get one over on your old customer. You could easily end up as piggy-in-the-middle, and the casualty, of what seems like quite a good earner. Here's what I did! I'm a complementary therapist and site designer, have been both for some time. Another therapist asked me to design a site for her, which, in the same locality, would have put us both in conflict. We even did many of the same therapies. I set about to design her site to look, feel and present, completely differently to mine. So differently in fact that anybody who looked at them would never suspect that they were designed by the same person. Admittedly, it's extra work. But I didn't ever worry that if she was doing well with her site, it was because I'd given away my secrets for attracting customers. But, instead, I had created a new way of attracting customers. Do your honest best. But don't let customer one ever think that he paid for something you sold again to his rival. That way you may keep both customers. In addition, you will have two very good templates that you can use for other businesses in your area. Hope that helps. Phil Chave www.philchave.com ------- new post - new topic -------- From: Kevin Houston Subject: SMTP servers > Modifying the from field... is not a good idea even > if your intentions are pure as the driven snow. - Steven Rothberg, LED 1893 These emails are initiated by the users themselves when a band member sends a press release to our media list, so it's hardly forging to correctly identify that. I understand your point about ISP filtering when domains are not the same, but our email list is generally the community news line at some media outlet (magazines, newspaper, tv, radio etc.) and we suspect they want to read our emails for inclusion in their publication / broadcast, and would likely object if their ISP filtered them like that. Besides, all the email shows up with our hosting company's domain in the recieved from fields, so if the ISPs are doing that kind of filtering, our email is already being thrown in the bit bucket. > My suggestion: use the actual name of the organizations you work > with as the prefixes and your actual domain name as the suffix. The idea is that when the media outlet hits reply, it should go back to the band (which might have any old email address, even a hotmail account) I am already including the user's email address in the ReplyTo field, but I do not think this is 100% compliant in the email readers in the market. We also have a limit as to the number of email accounts we can set up, and we envision the number of users exceeding that limit. We currently are required to send our email out with a known email account within our own domain (i.e. This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it ) but we are also putting the customer's name in the from field, and the customer's email in the ReplyTo: We are seeing a lot of return traffic to This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it that is intended for the users. > The higher the deliverability and open rates, the > more successful your email campaign will be. We don't really have a good handle on if the emails are being opened, and I am loathe to use a web bug or other programmatic method. with the email to fax, we know they are delivered, but whether they are read is anyone's guess. The easiest for us would be to find a 3rd party SMTP server that would allow this forging (traffic could be limited to our webserver's IP address only, so it wouldn't be an open relay) Thanks, Kevin Houston ------- new post - new topic ------- From: Kathy Wilson Anderson Subject: Reading digitally > If you want to try a new and effective format for e-books, > try MAGView... PDF... wasn't even designed for e-books > in any case, but for the lack of anything else, people used PDF. - Roland Matzke, LED 1891 My knowledge of PDF includes this information: 1. PDF is not dynamic. That's why it's perfect for material that needs to be printed. Order forms, for instance, will print in their entirety, not scrolling off-page and printing only half a line. 2. PDF files are HUGE. Identical files that I've uploaded on client's websites show that they are up to 4 times larger than the exact same Word document. This means they take a very long time to load, which is not a desirable trait for ebooks. Love, Kathy Wilson Anderson http://www.under-one-roof.net ==== BILLBOARD =================================== From: Dirk Johnson Subject: Firefox Browser questions I'd like to put out an open call for practical feedback about the Firefox browser, which may help many of us sort this out. I am not interested in slanted Mozilla vs Microsoft drivel. We could all spend hours reading that elsewhere, and it doesn't concern me. I am busy, and I have tried Opera (paid version) in the past and found it to be a waste of my time, since a lot of non-HTML compliant pages rendered in very some strange ways. Forcing HTML compliance is a noble goal, but it's not very user-friendly on the browser end. And since I found no other features of it that compelling, it now simply takes up space on my hard drive. My specific questions are: 1) What are the real and practical advantages of Firefox, besides just sticking it to Gates & Co.? 2) What are the disadvantages.? 3) I have read that Firefox allows third-party development of "plug-ins". Are there any of these available now, what do they do, and where is a reliable repository of them? Does anyone vet these for spyware / viruses? I'd really like a browser with some real functionality enhancements, like a decent favorites directory, with notations and search, as well as recently-visited lists, auto-visit lists, auto-fill or easy drag & drop into forms, smarter "find on page" capability, etc. I am willing to pay, if they are productive tools. If anyone wants to compete with MS, then they should develop a product that does that, in a practical way. I am not beholden to MS, but I am not very interested if it's just "we're not Microsoft, but with quirks". Maybe the Firefox third-party developers can accomplish this. But I think that a lot of us would like to read some objective, enlightened reviews on this, if anyone is willing to share, without the thread deteriorating into a Gates-bash. Thanks! Dirk Johnson - owner LinkStrategy.com http://www.linkstrategy.com djohnson, roiwebsites.com ------- new post - new topic ------- From: Mary Johnson Subject: Patent attorney > Can someone refer me to an excellent patent attorney based in > the U.S. who has experience in computer software related patents? - Sumantra Roy, LED 1893 I can heartily recommend Bob Huntsman of Belnap & Curtis in Idaho. Not only does he have a thriving patent law practice, he is an entrepreneur in his own right. You can read more about him at his website http://www.ewebpatents.com/about-us.htm. Bob has done some work for me and I have been very pleased. He is reliable, competent, easy to work with on the phone (which is a plus when you work remotely) and because he is technical himself (he is an applications programmer as well as a patent attorney) he knows the ins and outs of our profession. I can say that I looked long and hard before I found an attorney that I felt knew the issues related to technology and Bob is a perfect fit. Mary Johnson www.websitehelper.com ------- new post - same topic ------- From: Martha Retallick Subject: Patent attorney Permit me to recommend my father's patent attorney, William H. Eilberg. Dad holds dozens of patents, and Mr. Eilberg has handled most of them. He is a stickler for accuracy and detail, and will represent your interests well. Contact Mr. Eilberg through his website: http://www.eilberg.com Hope this helps! Martha Retallick http://www.postcardmarketingsecrets.com ------------------------------------------------------- The LED Digest is sponsored by pair Networks: pair.com for Hosting | pairNIC.com for Domains Copyright 1995-2004 Adam Audette. All Rights Reserved. ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." - William Butler Yeats |
