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February 17, 2003                      Issue #1519
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        <Moderator Comment>
                ~ Welcoming Marketleap

        --== Competing with SEO Spammers ==--

                ~ Joann Chokrach
"...the meta description tag...is definitely worth using."

                ~ Thomas Yoon
"I am a bit confused on the copyright notice..."

        --== Outsourcing Web Development ==--

                ~ Neal Meaker
"...developers keen on partnering with US companies
must...meet the clients face to face."

        --== Techniques for Publishing Contact Info ==--

                ~ Scott M. Stolz
"Another way to avoid spambots is to not have the e-mail
address on your site at all..."


===== GEEK TIPS ==================

        --== Spam with Forged Headers ==--
                ~ Eddie Teo
                ~ Dudley Dix


==== BILLBOARD ===================

        --== Subscription Services ==--
                ~ Wanda J. Crews


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<Moderator Comment>

Greetings LEDer,

Looks like a busy week ahead here on the LED. There are tons of
posts coming in and I've got a few left from up to 2 weeks ago I
haven't had room to publish yet. Hopefully I can do a bit of early
spring cleaning this week and let those posts see the light of day.

Thanks for all of your contributions. I understand how frustrating
it can be to take time to compose a post and then not see it
published. To those of you who've written me with those concerns, I
just want you to know I read each and every post and do my best to
publish all of them.

In other news - I'm happy to welcome back Marketleap as our Key
Sponsor this week - you may remember their sponsorship of the LED in
late January.

As you may recall, Marketleap is an Internet marketing and
consulting firm that specializes in SEO. In addition to its
consulting practice, Marketleap is an authorized value-added
reseller of Inktomi's popular paid inclusion search marketing
programs:  Inktomi Search Submit and Inktomi Index Connect. Very
worthwhile services to check into.

Thanks for supporting our valued Key Sponsors. Their sponsorship
enables us to continue offering this discussion list for free!

Have a great week,
Adam Audette

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From: Joann Chokrach
Subject: SE spammers

> The search engines don't look at Meta tags these
> days (except for Inktomi), so don't worry about this
> too much.
        - Lorelle Smith, LED 1518

Thanks to spammers, it is true that most search engines do not use
the META KEYWORD tag.

However, all the major crawlers support the META DESCRIPTION tag, to
some degree. If you have a meta description tag on your pages,
you'll most likely see the content used in some way. It is
definitely worth using.

Google uses a "snippet" from the page by seeking the first text on
the page that contains the search term.  In some extremely rare
instances, Google will use text in the meta description tag to form
a snippet only when a page lacks enough text to let Google create a
proper snippet from the body copy.

> ... your most important keywords should go first. Put
> the company name last or not at all... I also tack the
> URL on the end of my title tags

While META tags are used by search engines, TITLE tags are for
humans - the people who visit your site.

Whatever text you place in the title tag (between the TITLE and
/TITLE portions as shown in the example) will appear at the top of
the browser, and in the "Favorites" or "Bookmarks" lists.  Keep your
titles under 64 characters (including spaces.)

The first part of the title should describe what the page is about,
followed by the company name (and geographical location if
appropriate).  Do not use keywords here, because if you do, your
user won't remember what it was they bookmarked the page for in the
first place.  Even though it's bookmarked, it will most likely be
ignored if they have bookmarked other sites with a more accurate
title.  (Based on usability testing of webpages).

Using your company name in the title associates your name with your
product or service.  Eliminate the use of your company name only if
you don't want people knowing who you are, or what you do.

Joann Chokrach
http://www.wits-end.com


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From: Thomas Yoon
Subject: se spammers

> Your copyright notice should read
> "(C) 2002-2003.  The current notice
> "(C) 2002" makes it  look like you
> haven't done anything with the site
> in over a year.
        - Joann Chokrach, LED 1516

> The copyright date should be changed only
> when you revise or add to the text... many
> visitors do assume the date shown is when
> the site was last updated...
        - Lorelle Smith, LED 1518

I am a bit confused on the copyright notice:

(c) 2002 seems OK to me. To me it means that you have created your
copyrighted materials on 2002, and it will expire in perhaps 50
years or 100 years when it will become public property.

What does (c) 2002 - 2003 mean? Does it mean that after 2003, the
material is no longer copyrighted and people can copy it?

Perhaps somebody can clarify on this?

Thank you

Thomas Yoon
marworld.tripod.com


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From: Neal Meaker
Subject: Outsourcing

> So a question, if a non US source were to do my
> website, do I have to worry about their spell check
> not matching my spell check?
        - Vicki Lambert, LED 1516

Vicki raises a valid point regarding language differences. Most
spell check programs can be set to US English, which no doubt the
developer should use for US targeted traffic.

In addition, I would recommend that the developer have the copy
proof read by a US authority, to resolve grammatical errors and to
use preferred terms.

To answer Vicki's question, I would underscore that as the client,
she would have the final word. Any errors that may get through can
be resolved before accepting the developers work, prior to
publishing and making the final payment.

In August 2002, we travelled from New York through to Buffalo,
specifically looking into the potential of South African products
and services being offered to the USA (In line with the AGOA
agreement of President Bush). Video conferencing has its advantages,
but nothing beats an intimate understanding of the people and
country that you are focusing on.

Suffice to say, that when potential clients project values are
collectively large enough, we believe that developers keen on
partnering with US companies must be ready to visit the country and
meet the clients face to face.

Regards

Neal Meaker
AltonSA.co.za


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From: Scott M. Stolz
Subject: Contact info

Another Way to Avoid Spambots / Formail Security Issues:

Another way to avoid spambots is to not have the e-mail address on
your site at all.  You can do this by having the customer submit a
form instead of e-mailing you, and using nms FormMail.  It's a Perl
script from nms that is a drop-in replacement for formmail.pl.

It fixes a bunch of security holes and also has the ability to store
the e-mail recipient of the form inside the formmail script.  That
way your e-mail address is not even in the HTML code!  Their address
is http://www.scriptarchive.com/nms.html and you can download it and
use it for free.

Also, if you are using version 1.6 of Matt's version of FormMail,
you need to upgrade to 1.92 or use nms FormMail instead.  Version
1.6 has security holes in it that spammers can use to send out their
spam from your server. So upgrade your formmail scripts today!

You can get version 1.92 of Matt's FormMail at
http://www.scriptarchive.com/formmail.html if you don't want to use
nms FormMail.

Scott M. Stolz
wistex.com


===== GEEK TIPS ===================================

From: Eddie Teo
Subject: Forged spam

> Your mail server can be configured to reject mail
> from numeric IP addresses that are on one or more
> blocklists provided by third parties.
        - Martyn Gay, LED 1518

Martin,

I share Dudley's problem.

My concern is not being blocked by ISP's around the world, as I
agree with you the block procedures are far more complicated than
that.

However, my concern is that spammers are creating fake addresses
using our domain name (e.g. This email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it ), and sending mass
mails out.  They generally used open relay servers to achieve this.

Problem 1 - All returned mails are sent to us (for unknown users,
out of quota and so on), and we are facing tremendous problems
trying to differentiate them from real returned mails (e.g. wrongly
spelt addresses etc.)  We get thousands of such returned mails on a
daily basis!

Problem 2 - On the users end, if they are using a spam blocker, they
could block our domain names, and not all spam blockers (nor users
of the software for that matter) are sophisticated enough to
realized we did not send them the spam mails, they will just take it
that abcde54321.com server are sending them the spam mails.  In the
end, if we are really trying to contact the users, our mails get
bounced back.

This is a really serious problem.  The trouble is, there are a lot
of mail servers out there that allows open relay!  And we all know
only the servers that allows open relay would be able to track down
the sender of the spam mails, but most of them do not know how to
(if they do, their servers will not be open for mail relay in the
first place!).

Email server software providers should set open relay to be closed
in the first place, and warn of consequences if they are open (if
some smart fellas decide to turn it on).  Responsibilities of the
email server software?

If anyone has any solutions, please share.  Thanks in advance.

eddie teo
Online Technology


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From: Dudley Dix
Subject: Forged spam

> Today I have received spam emails that show two
> of my own addresses as the sender, whereas I have
> nothing to do with them.

> I thought that maybe the company that owns [URL
> removed] does not know how its site is being marketed
> through a bulk email service...
        - Dudley Dix, LED 1517

Hi Adam,

Thanks for publishing my mail of yesterday. You removed the URL of
the offending website and I am not sure why. If the correct URL does
not appear so that readers can see it for themselves then much of my
mail is meaningless.

I think that it is important that the address is shown, I don't
think that it is an innocent address that has been hijacked and
needs to be protected. This appears to be a company that is
purposely doing illegal business and can harm us all. We all need to
be aware of who and what is out there trying to railroad our
businesses.

The URL of the offending site is factorymanagement.com.

Regards,

DD

Dudley Dix Yacht Design
http://dixdesign.com


==== BILLBOARD ====================================

From: Wanda J. Crews
Subject: Subscription Services

Hello!

I am looking for a service which will provide my web site with the
ability to accept payment for a one time only entrance into
specified area of my site. An example of what I am looking for is
what one would expect at the movie theater. You pay, walk in, enjoy
the film, and leave. If you want to see the film again, you pay
again.

My expertise is not in the technical aspects, hence, my request for
HELP!

Thank you, Kind Regards,

Wanda J. Crews


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