| LED Digest 2361: Pros & Cons of Shared Hosting |
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================================================== The LED Digest Moderated Discussion List "Effective Online Advertising, Since 1997" Data > Information > Knowledge > Wisdom www.GetWebContent.com : the LED's Key Sponsor Custom crafted professional copywriting services ================================================== List Moderator: Published by: Adam Audette LED Digest adam, led-digest.com http://www.led-digest.com .............................................. March 6, 2007 Issue no. 2361 .............................................. .....IN THIS DIGEST..... ====== NEW ===================== <Moderator Comment> ~ Added Personal Emails --== Shared vs Dedicated IP Addresses ==-- ~ Ed Clark "What are the pro's and con's of shared vs. dedicated?" --== Copied Website ==-- ~ Frank A. Fulton "What would you do if someone copied your sites pages exactly?" ==== CONTINUING ================= --== Managing Lists [was: Rude Emails...] ==-- ~ Veronica Yuill "...don't get me started on people who subscribe from an address with challenge-response..." ~ Alicia Lane "I do risk my reputation by not replying, but I'm willing to take that risk..." ~ Ron Coble "Constructive criticism is and should always be invited..." ~ Terri Zwierzynski "...the spirit of the CAN-SPAM act puts the responsibility in the list-owner's lap." --== A Test: New Sites & Google ==-- ~ Michael Martinez "...a new domain can appear for a while...and then it vanishes from the search results." ========== NEW =================================== <Moderator Comment> Please note that I've removed the flow-to.com email addresses from the Web archive versions of the LED Digest for now. I'd like to use the system a bit first to ensure its security. You'll notice we've added email addresses using Will Bontrager's excellent flow-to.com system. You can read all about it here: A Harvest Proof Email Method http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1745/172/ You'll notice when you click on someone's email address that two things happen: 1) a browser window will open an interim web page to load the email link; 2) your email program will open a new email form or window with the "To" and "Subject" fields pre-filled. The default subject line is "LED post." I'll add a custom interim page for the email links this week; for now it's the flow-to.com default. Lots of thanks go to Will for graciously setting this up for LEDers. Hopefully this is helpful! -Adam ---------------------- From: Ed Clark Subject: Shared IP Addresses Hello LED'ers While I read and appreciate this forum so very much, I have not asked for help before. I need all the information I can get on Shared IP Addresses. As a small web hosting company, I purchase my server space and it is currently Shared IP Address. What are the pros's and con's of Shared vs. Dedicated? I have used the same source for several years and have done so because the price is good, have some limited support, and it started as a little guy business and I was trying to help a nice guy. Learning so much from this list, I am ready to spread my wings a little. I have chances to host several larger companies. Being an ethical individual, I want to give my clients as much as I can for their dollar, while being able to keep my expenses under control. I also, don't want to limit their rankings by perhaps hosting on a shared server, if that is a problem. So, remembering that this community makes me look like a first grader regarding hosting and development, so be gentle with your answers. I have some knowledge, but am learning every day. Thanks in advance for your comments. Ed Clark -------- new post - new topic -------- From: Frank A. Fulton Subject: Exact Copied Web Site Hi - what would you do if someone copied your sites pages exactly ? And your traffic went down? My site http://www.budgettravel.com Copied site http://www.ucatour.com Note - his front page has 2005 specials - their specials page http://www.ucatour.com/speicals.htm winter 2006 - my specials page http://www.budgettravel.com/specials.htm = winter 2007 On his europe page http://www.ucatour.com/europe.htm is a picture of my daughter - On his papua new guinea page is a picture of me, my daughter - I am the one w/ the homer t shirt - I am also the one in the other picture with a hat on. Any suggestions ? Frank A. Fulton Worlds Best Travel Information on 700+ Web Pages http://www.travel-places.com ======== CONTINUING =============================== From: Veronica Yuill Subject: Managing Lists [was: Rude Emails...] > It would be interesting to hear other perspectives > on this. Who's responsibility is it to manage their > subscriptions - the list owner or the subscriber? - Adam Audette, LED Digest 2360 - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1761/55/ heh heh, well, you know what i'm going to say, Adam. I agree with you and Amy. You're getting something for free, folks! People who moderate this type of list have paid activities to fit into their day too, and the time they give for free should be respected. The LED has clear unsubscribe instructions in every edition, and they are not hard to follow. Even if you do have problems following them, a polite email to the moderator is more likely to get results than a "GET ME OFF YOUR %&*!! LIST!" Having moderated a similar list (and been on the receiving end of emails much worse than Adam's example), I know just how time-consuming managing it can be -- don't get me started on people who subscribe from an address with challenge-response set up on it and think the moderator will be happy to spend half an hour every day replying to challenges and typing in captchas :-) As a footnote, in the past I've found the most effective way of dealing with rude emails is to reply very, very politely. Even agree with the person if you reasonably can. This defuses most people, or seriously wrong-foots them if they are expecting to get into a major argument. If they persist, just set up a filter to reroute all their email straight to trash, tell them you are doing it, and get on with your life. Regards Veronica Yuill www.larecettedujour.org -------- new post - same topic -------- From: Alicia Lane Subject: Managing lists I manage subscriptions and submissions (for now, by hand!) as a volunteer for a community website. I don't think there is One True Answer for who is responsible for managing subscriptions; it all boils down to what the list owner's goals for the list are. It's their prerogative to act as they wish, as long as they are aware of the potential risks / benefits of their actions. For example, for my volunteer website, I often don't respond to unsub requests other than to simply remove them from the list. Same goes for rude demands from submitters who obviously didn't read our submissions policy. I usually send a short polite reply directing them to our policy, but only if I have time. I do risk my reputation by not replying, but I'm willing to take that risk because my website is already very well-established in the community and most understand I am doing this as a volunteer. But if I were running a fledgling list or community-based site as a draw for potential customers, you can bet I'd be much more responsive regardless of how much in the right or in the wrong the subscriber is. I stand to lose business or valuable contacts if I don't. Regards, Alicia Lane -------- new post - same topic -------- From: Ron Coble Subject: Managing lists Hello, Seems I missed the original post - for some reason Comcast has been filtering my LED's into their Sp*am folder?? I call our ezine "Global B2B Updates" and in a recent editions I posted the following that relates directly to this discussion: ----------------------- "We do not get a lot of people who Un-subscribe from these updates, but we always want you to know that if they do not contain any information that is helpful to you or your business, please do yourself and us a BIG favor - SCROLL to the bottom of this email and click on the UNSUBSCRIBE link. "You even get to tell me why you are un-subscribing. Most people simply do not have time or find out that the subject matter does not match their business needs. I enjoy reading these messages so I can learn what I might be able to do different. "Some other members do not subscribe but do email me with both nice suggestions and some with some pretty nasty remarks. Now I am always open to "constructive" criticism and welcome it but one lady told me I was whining when I described why I was late in getting an update out because I had to help my 86 year old father (who is a stroke victim) and I kind of got the feeling she was upset because of the update being late - funny the last time I checked, it was F*R*E*E to subscribe? Anyway, the nice thing about being the publisher of a F*R*E*E publication is, I can UNSUBSCRIBE anyone, any time I want and so since she did not offer any "constructive" criticism and seemed to have an "air" of expectancy from having paid nothing, so I un-subscribed her." ----------------------- Thankfully I do not or hare not received very many rude posts but as I stated in the above post, it takes me but a minute to find the subscriber in my Aweber database and unsubscribe them. Constructive criticism is and should always be invited, but no one, paid or unpaid has the right to be rude. If they are a paid customer, refund the remaining amount of their subscription and tell them why. If they are unpaid, they will most likely remain so and as far as I am concerned they do not deserve any more of my time that what it takes to unsubscribe them from my database. Ron Coble Coble International Marketing Services http://www.importexporthelp.com -------- new post - same topic -------- From: Terri Zwierzynski Subject: Managing lists > If you are the list owner, it's your job to administer > the list. It's that simple: it's your job. - Malcolm Fitzgerald, LED Digest 2360 I agree with Malcolm. Yes, unsub links help automate the process and keep your, or more appropriately, your assistant's job (you do have an assistant to help with these mundane requests, right? ;) manageable. However, in my mind, the spirit of the CAN-SPAM act puts the responsibility in the list-owner's lap. So when someone requests help unsubscribing, we handle it with a virtual smile. Who knows, they might come back later, or recommend you to someone else... Side note: I noticed when I moved to a new newsletter list platform that I haven't had nearly as many requests for help with unsubscribing. You may want to look into how the process works, from the point of view of the user -- it's always obvious to us, not so to them! Perhaps moving the unsub link, changing the wording of it or the webpage it takes them to, etc., could tweak things enough to help more folks "DIY". Peace, Terri Zwierzynski www.solo-e.com Resources for the Solo Entrepreneur Lifestyle ============ Sponsor Message =========== Ever wonder why Presidents and board chairmen hire professional writers to craft their speeches? Because they're usually trying to sell something, be it a new federal program or a lame excuse for a lousy fourth quarter. You're in sales, too. Online sales. Your site needs words that sell, power words. http://GetWebContent.com/LED words. ============ Sponsor Message =========== -------- new post - new topic -------- From: Michael Martinez Subject: Test > I wonder if you would participate in a test? I own a domain. > It has been parked offline since purchase on GoDaddy...The > last time I put up a site, I purchased the domain on Saturday, > it was available via Google on Tuesday. I think most people > do not believe things can happen that fast. - Tracy Coyle, LED Digest 2360 What I think most people are quick to point out is that a new domain can appear for a while right after it is created and then it vanishes from the search results. Google crawls new domains all the time. But it indexes content on the basis of crawling, and it may take time to get back to the new domain if it doesn't accumulate links. At some point, the domain will either be dropped from the database or else it may be treated as sort of "stale content" because it hasn't been recrawled within some time frame. In the classic Google Sandbox Effect scenario, you set up a new domain, Google crawls and indexes the domain, the domain shows up in search results (usually for its title) for a few days, maybe a couple of weeks, and then it vanishes. For varying lengths of time, sometimes a year or longer, the domain just doesn't seem to rank for anything. Then one day it starts to show up. You "break out" of the Sandbox. It's not a well-known fact, but there is at least one well-crawled domain out there that seems to do nothing but index domain names. Every time one of my team members tries to show me a site that got indexed without any inbound links, I go look for backlinks and find at least one. And there is more than one service that indexes new domains, but this older, well-established domain (whois.sc) seems to be helping a lot of people. But one link doesn't do a whole lot for you. If you have a substantial site with many indexable content pages they may be sufficient to help you build some visibility but I've watched large content domains languish, too. At some point, you have to get some inbound links that pass enough value that Google says, "Okay, this site looks real". It doesn't have to be hundreds of value-passing links, but they do have to pass value. And I think over the past few months Google has stripped a lot of pages of their ability to pass value in a sort of shotgun approach to determining quality. They seem to be taking the position of, "If we cannot be really sure about a page, then we just won't let it pass value." Good luck on your test. I'll be interested to see what happens with the indexing. You should check the whois.sc site to see if your domain is already listed there. It may very well be. Michael Martinez - "Cuando Maria canta, ella canta para mi" http://www.michael-martinez.com/ You Can Support Our Wounded Troops: http://www.woundedwarriors.org/ ------------------------------------------------------- The LED Digest is sponsored by http://GetWebContent.com/LED Custom crafted professional copywriting services. The Archives: http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/126/120/ Subscribe: http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/52/77/ Unsubscribe, Change Email, or Hold / Resume Delivery: http://www.led-digest.com/content/category/4/17/86/ (c) Copyright 1995-2007 Orange Wheel, LLC. All Rights Reserved. ----------------------------------------------------------------- "All of us, at certain moments of our lives, need to take advice and to receive help from other people." - Alexis Carrel |
