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Adam Audette                          LED Digest
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March 20, 2007                     Issue no. 2371
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            .....IN THIS DIGEST.....


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        <Moderator Comment>
                ~ When Clients Don't Pay
                ~ The kuler

        --== HTML Standards and Search Rankings ==--

                ~ Tom Anson
"...I had used three h3 tags in the left-side navigation."


==== CONTINUING =================

        --== Marketing with Press Releases ==--

                ~ Eric Ward
"I've embedded keyword links in URLwire
for clients for 10 years..."

        --== Design Change Shortcuts ==--

                ~ Thomas M. Schmitz
"...Microsoft stopped supporting FrontPage
extensions for non-Windows servers."

                ~ Cheryl Berry
"Here's a FrontPage tip. Skip the shared
borders function..."

        --== The Big Picture in SEO ==--

                ~ Anonymous
"I think you've got too many ideas here, seems
convoluted."


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<Moderator Comment>

A pretty slow day today, just a handful of posts. Probably a good
time to shift gears here and start discussing new topics.

Some talking points...

1. WHEN CLIENTS DON'T PAY


Much of the work I do requires outsourcing or subcontracting with
designers and programmers. One of my trusty, honest and very
talented regulars, a designer from Florida, was bamboozled by a
large company last week.

In typical fashion, the company who hired Frank (not his real name,
but we'll call him that) told him they'd like net 30 terms and
needed final work for the project ASAP, including multiple versions
of graphics and Web pages. There was a sense of urgency that made
Frank put them on the top of his list. He trusted the company
because of its reputation, probably a mistake at the outset, but he
can't really be blamed judging by their reputation online.

This company has received the promised deliveries from Frank and
he's getting stonewalled. No answers to voicemails or emails.
Nothing. He hasn't been paid.

I'm not sure what kind of contract he signed, and he's already
making plans to re-purpose the work for other clients.

Has this happened to you? It doesn't have to be in design - what
about consulting, SEO, etc?

(I really wanted to use the word "bamboozle")

2. THE KULER IS COOL

Just a cool tool --

A friend of mine who does graphic and Web design here in Bend
(www.donnelldesign.com) turned me on to this fantastic tool from
Adobe: http://kuler.adobe.com/ It allows you to create and share
color themes. The site is quite elegant and works well with its
Flash functionality. If you're stumped on a color scheme for that
new project, this may be the resource you need. My favorite is
probably the Granny Smith Apple combo, really vivid colors that work
nicely with the dark brown.

Have a great week,
Adam


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From: Tom Anson
Subject: HTML standards and search results ranking

Hi fellow LEDers,

I posted a question about getting a page ranked in Google a while
back [ http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1769/55/ ] and
received a few interesting responses -- on and off list.  I thank
you, one and all.

One person who responded to my post actually called me and talked
for a fair length of time.  One of the things he mentioned to me, as
to why my page might not be ranking, is that I had used three h3
tags in the left-side navigation.  Especially since these were
links, he said, it could account for my problems.

Well, if multiple h3 tags as links is a problem, I'm in big trouble
with most of my product index pages.  I've used an h3 tag for every
item (see www.therapeutic-grade.com/products/blends/index.html as an
example).

I'm not an expert on this -- so I'm asking you -- but I don't recall
ever seeing anything, anywhere that suggested that hx tags could not
be used as links (I've actually seen where they are recommended,
since they would carry more weight with the search engines), or that
they could not be used multiple times on a page.  I've checked the
W3C site, but can't find anything about this, one way or the other.

Any educated thoughts on this?  Thanks.

Tom Anson

Anson Aromatic Essentials
http://www.therapeutic-grade.com


<Moderator Comment>

Interesting question. I'm not sure why those h3 links would be
problematic, but I'd love to hear from someone with ideas on this.

Incidentally, this isn't directly pertinent to your question, Tom,
but there's an interesting article and follow-up discussion about
Web standards here:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/whereourstandardswentwrong

-adam


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From: Eric Ward
Subject: PR services

Sorry for the slow reply.  We are weeks away from baby #2 and
I'm in "prepare the nest" mode :)

A couple quick clarifications about URLwire.

> We use PRWeb exclusively as they allow
> embedding keyword links and the other
> online newswire services do not...
        - Andy Benkert, LED Digest 2368
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1769/55/

I've embedded keyword links in URLwire for clients for 10 years. :)

> Keep it short - 1-2 pages is probably sufficient.
> Remember, journalists are lazy creatures wanting
> to do no extra work. Write it for 'em!
        - Nathan Holley, LED Digest 2368

Shorter is better.  I cannot say this strongly enough. Shorter is
better. A formal press release isn't even necessary for URLwire.
Informal plays better, like these.

NBA Star LeBron James Launches Site With MSN
http://www.urlwire.com/news/021907.html

DQ Launches a Create Your Own Valentine's Day Slow Jam
http://www.urlwire.com/news/020907.html

These two clients had existing press releases in the usual format,
way too long and full of jargon and fluff.  They give them to me to
adapt / shorten for URLwire's core readership. URLwire is about
URLs. The goal is to get people to those URLs. A long press release
gets in the way of that goal.  I don't want people staying on my
URLwire.com site, I want them getting enough info so they then want
to leave my site and go to the client's site.

Lastly, just want to clarify that URLwire is not designed in any way
to compete with prweb, prnewswire.com, businesswire, or any other
wire.  Those guys put out thousands of press releases a week and are
fantastic at what they do. I purposely limit URLwire to just a few
new sites announcements per week, all sent one by one by me to
people who know me.

Lastly, just a general word of advice.  People all have their own
preferred method for consuming news, and while many folks do prefer
a shorter blog ready format or abstract, that does not mean the
press release is dead.  Far from it.  It just means recognizing how
your particular news should be distributed / shared and why. I turn
away about 100 announcements every week because they just are not a
good fit for URLwire.  I refer hundreds of people to the above wire
services every month.  I advise clients as to which service to use
and why, based on what they are announcing to to whom they want to
reach.

The challenge is not finding methods for distribution. Lordy, there
are many of those.  The challenge is finding the distribution method
and mix for your particular announcement that will get you what you
want, whatever that is.

Eric Ward
URLwire.com


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From: Thomas M. Schmitz
Subject: Frontpage Extensions

> I'd strongly advise against FP extensions or
> Dreamweaver library items. For one thing, they
> tie you to proprietary software for updating.
        - Veronica Yuill, LED Digest 2370
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1771/55/

FrontPage users who have Unix hosting and not Windows hosting should
note that Microsoft stopped supporting FrontPage extensions for
non-Windows servers. This is because Microsoft discontinued
FrontPage and replaced it with Expression Web Designer.

Hosting providers have already begun to uninstall FrontPage
extentions suppport on Unix servers
(http://www.pdxtc.com/wpblog/archives/285).

A source inside Microsoft says that the company will provide legacy
support for Front Page extensions on Windows Servers. This means
that people and businesses with FrontPage websites on Unix hosting
should either redesign their web sites without FrontPage extensions
or be prepared to migrate their web sites to Windows hosting.

My recommendation is to:

1) Don't Panic.

2) Be prepared to migrate your existing website to a Windows server
when your time comes. Most hosting providers offer both Unix and
Windows servers so making the switch should be painless.

3) Redesign your website without FrontPage extensions. The FrontPage
program itself is defunct. At some point Microsoft is certain to
stop FrontPage extension support on Windows servers too. Better yet,
use this as an opportunity to thoughtfully plan a whole new improved
and better website design.

You can safely continue to use FrontPage as a design tool as long as
you do not use of its extensions, however, I do not recomend this
because the program is also crippled by issues like limited CSS
support. If you plan to switch from FrontPage to Expression Web
Designer, then it may become worth your while to learn PHP too. PHP
support is on the docket for the next version of Expression Web
Designer.

You can download a fully functional 60 day trial of Expression Web
Designer at: http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression...

Thomas M. Schmitz, President

SEOcritique.com
http://www.seocritique.com


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From: Cheryl Berry
Subject: Design

Here's a FrontPage tip.  Skip the shared borders function - it's too
limiting.  Instead, create custom include pages and use them
virtually anywhere in your site, even multiple files in one web
page.  They do not have to be stored in the default 'borders'
folder, and can be saved in the root or a specifically created
directory (Includes).  Unless you're adding a NEW include to a web
page, you DO NOT have to resave and upload pages that reference an
existing include file when it has been edited.

Create an include page and save it.  Using FP menu, select Insert,
Web Component, Included Content, Page, pagename.htm or simply edit
directly into your html code <!--webbot bot="Include"
U-Include="yourpage.htm" TAG="BODY" -->.  or deeper reference, ../
in the path to the include page, (i.e. <!--webbot bot="Include"
U-Include="../yourpage.htm" TAG="BODY" -->).

Don't waste time writing header meta tags, they will not be read in
this type of include page.  If you use image alts - they will be
evident in your readable code, so go ahead and use them.

Organization is key to quick access if developing multiple include
files or if the site is large. By placing the number (1) one in
front of every include file name, they all rise to the top of the
directory (EX: 1as.htm, 1bp.htm, 1cd.htm, etc) and just like any
other page in a site, should be named something that makes sense to
you and the pages it will reference.

> ... my 2 secure order pages where I collect credit
> card information, need to have the borders disabled,
> otherwise the SSL throws up a security warning
> that the page contains insecure as well as secure data.
        - Karl Baldwin, LED Digest 2370

By the way Karl, this issue can be corrected using includes as
described above.

Last note: be sure to EXCLUDE include page file names from your xml
site map!

Best to LEDers and Adam...

Cheryl Berry


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From: Anonymous
Subject: SEO Big Picture... or Convoluted ramblings

> These Search Promotion Professionals (the new acronym
> I'm coining) are churning out a remarkable amount of ink
> talking about minutia and very little of value for the average
> Web business. They want to retain an air of exclusivity about
> their approaches and a proventialism about the industry that
> they are helping to shape. It's driven by vanity, ambition, and
> greed, not by a desire to really get to know search algorithms.
        - Nathan Holley, LED Digest 2370
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1771/55/

I think you've got too many ideas here, seems convoluted. Yes, the
SEO industry regulars can get annoying like fingernails on
chalkboards. But it shouldn't be a revelation that they're looking
out for numero uno - the whole point of the conference circuit and
the SE industry is to make money. Business. It's not about passion
for algorithms, it's about passion for dollars.

As for Shari's article, she's sometimes interesting because of her
hunger for controversy, but seldom noteworthy. Her ideas are very
blaise in my opinion, she's stuck in outdated methods and a super
conservative approach.

Anonymous


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