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May 18, 2007                        Issue no. 2413
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            .....IN THIS DIGEST.....


====== NEW ======================

        --== Domain "Health" Service ==--

                ~ Christophe Cash
"Reputation scores are calculated based on
behavior data captured in real-time..."

                <Moderator Comment>
"What are your favorite SEO tools?"


==== CONTINUING =================

        --== SEO and Content ==--

                ~ Mackenzie Andersen
"I have been struggling with finding the balance
between expressing my own voice..."

                ~ Anthony Kirlew
"It's hard enough for someone who speaks
English...to be a master copywriter..."

                ~ Reg Charie
"Usability IS part of SEO."

                ~ Peggy Deras
"...any site owner should, at the very least,
direct the writing."

        --== The Gatekeeper Mentality ==--

                ~ Jim Gatton
"[Don't] assume people know what [you] want..."

        --== Blocked by Hotmail ==--

                ~ James Haley
"It could be that someone else on your
server is spamming..."

        --== Google Languages & Databases ==--

                ~ Michael Martinez
"The chief characteristic of Google 3.0 is
that they are integrating results..."


========== NEW ===================================

From: Christophe Cash
Subject: Domain Health Check

A recent release gives us a heads up about a new free service that
purports to offer you a detailed analysis of your website's online
reputation.

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"Users who request a Domain Health Check will receive a report that
provides a snapshot of their domain's security reputation regarding
Web and e-mail traffic. Reputation scores are calculated based on
behavior data captured in real-time by Secure Computing's
TrustedSource reputation service, according to the company. Like a
credit score, a reputation score indicates whether a site is in good
standing, or if it may have been compromised and is being used in
nefarious ways. As part of the report, participants will receive
remediation tips that serve as a starting point to rectify any
problems."

Source: http://www.securecomputing.com/domain_health_check.cfm
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Cheers,

Christophe Cash
audiomind.us

Comment?

<Moderator Comment>

I'm not usually a fan of these types of services. They try to
automate something that is probably much more effectively done
manually. That said, I didn't even test out the above service
because the first thing they ask for is an email address. That was
enough for me to click away. I'm not worried about giving out my
email address - half the web has it. I just dislike a service that
gives you that requirement right off the bat.

I guess I'm not that fearful that a site I own may be
surreptitiously "used in nefarious ways." If it is, I'll probably
know about it soon enough.

On a related topic -- SEO tools -- someone recently sent me this
link: http://www.linkvendor.com/seo-tools/domain-popularity.html ,
which basically takes your backlink data and tries to organize it by
PageRank, giving you an indication of the "power" of your various
incoming links. Since PR is almost totally useless as a metric of a
site's strength, I don't think I'll use it much.

A far better method is probably something like Jim Boykin's
"Strongest Subpages Tool" right here:
http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-tools/strongest-subpages-tool.php .
This counts incoming links to specific deep pages and organizes them
that way.

There's always Yahoo Site Explorer that usually organizes links in
descending order by their quality. That's the rumor, anyway.
http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/

The best tool IMHO for auditing a site's off-page strenghts is
Aaron's SEO for Firefox plugin:
http://tools.seobook.com/firefox/seo-for-firefox.html . It can
quickly give you a snapshot of a site's overall profile. I find it
extremely useful when checking out a site before getting to the
on-page optimization stuff.

There are tons of other tools, too. What's your favorite?

Comment?

Have a great weekend,
Adam


======== CONTINUING ===============================

From: Mackenzie Andersen
Subject: Content

I am developing a blog that I created myself. I also developed the
website. I know it is not the conventional thing to do but we are
not a conventional business. I have been struggling with finding the
balance between expressing my own voice and the voice of the entity
that I am representing. I received some disturbing feedback  from a
well intended colleague and I ended up creating "copy" about my own
response to that feedback, and as a process of giving myself
permission to speak in my own human voice.

My blog style began as an email news letter. The second letter
became the first published blog. The response to the email news
letter was increased sales. Formerly my news letters were about
sales discounts, but the blog-styled news letter made as much or
greater sales than the letters that offered a discount. Since there
was no discount offered that means higher profits.

Because of who we are, I feel that it makes sence to speak in my own
voice. It is the voice of an individual voice, a "natural person"
and not the voice of a "corporate personhood". With corporate
personhood developing an ever growing layer of artificial
intelligence, as an interface between the artificial person and the
natural person, I think it is a "plus" to speak in the controversial
voice of an individual person. I am sure there are those who will
disagree with my approach, but that's OK. I also received positive
customer feedback to my email news letter.

I believe that our customer would rather read the voice of a natural
person. Through our links categories, I have been using our website
to connect with ideas outside of the normal scope of a commercial
website. I read here on LED that links are important to SEO and so I
make sure to have a lot of links, but as I do so I realize that
links are more than an SEO strategy. It is part of the natural
beauty of the internet in forming networks of affiliations.

Blog http://www.andersenstudio.com/ASBLOGz.html
Links http://www.andersenstudio.com/Links.html

My Blog is currently publishes as an HTML page on our server. I am
currently investigating the pros and cons of publishing it through
Blogger.

Mackenzie Andersen
www.andersenstudio.com

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From: Anthony Kirlew
Subject: Content

> I honestly don't understand how content is a function
> of SEO. Isn't content just part of having a Web site than
> people enjoy using?
        - Rae Deisler, LED Digest 2411
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1815/55/

Content development is one component of an overall SEO campaign.
Ideally your SEO firm would work with you to come up with the
content, but many do have copywriters on staff or on retainer to get
the job done.

It's been a while since I posted, but here are my answers to your
"content" questions:

> 1) Do you write your own copy or
> hire a copywriter?

It depends on the site.  I have done it myself (I do have
copywriting skills), and at my old company one of our SEO team
members was a copywriting specialist, so that helped.  I would not
hesitate to outsource to a trusted copywriter however.

> 2) When writing copy for the web, what's more
> important:  usability or SEO?

If I had to take a side, I would lean towards usability as that is
the ultimate goal, but SEO can't be left out of the mix.

> 3) Should copywriting be outsourced
> overseas?

(Speaking from an American perspective) My initial thought is no
because of some of what I have seen that is obviously written from
people who do not have a good grasp of the English language.  It's
hard enough for someone who speaks English as a first language to be
a master copywriter, so I think its exponentially harder for someone
who is not intimate with a language or culture to do this.

> 4) What's a fair price to pay for copywriting
> services?

This is vague as I haven't paid for these services in a while, but
in general, you can find reasonable rates from sole practitioners or
lesser known copywriters.  The well known names command a pretty
penny, and deserve it, as they usually get the results for their
clients.

I hope that helps.

Anthony Kirlew, Author

"Internet Marketing Secrets from the trenches"
http://www.webtrafficteam.com

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From: Reg Charie
Subject: Content

Great subject and one close to my heart.

> 1) Do you write your own copy or
> hire a copywriter?

This varies with the length of the search term tail and the type of
page.

Mostly, I work with the owner of the business to generalize the
content, adding their insight into the various industry terms and
terminology, combined with my input as a general user who is looking
for product, but not savvy in regards to the industry's terminology.

> 2) When writing copy for the web, what's more
> important:  usability or SEO?

Usability IS part of SEO.

Information should be presented in a manner that features the
keywords to lead the visitor to their intended destination(s).
Keywords should be researched to prioritize, and pages built in an
easy to follow structure from short to long tail.

> 3) Should copywriting be outsourced
> overseas?

Difficult question and one that I have not had to answer. I have a
US based copy writer who does well for me.

> 4) What's a fair price to pay for copywriting
> services?

It varies by the complexity and time. In the neighborhood of $50 -
$75 per hour for a professional.

Thank You,

Reg Charie
www.dotcom-productions.com

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From: Peggy Deras
Subject: Content

I write my own copy; and think any site owner should, at the very
least, direct the writing. Some business people aren't good writers.
That's a given. But they know their business and message better than
anyone else. That message needs to come across on the web more than
anywhere else in marketing except perhaps television advertising.

Too many small businesses turn their web site creation over to "the
pros" and end up with cookie-cutter magazine page sites, when they
could have a portal that really enhances their business and adds to
their bottom line with increased sales or leads.

I believe in the diversity that is the Web.

I think it is the obligation of every business to enhance and enrich
the Web experience for all by bringing their unique knowledge online
and sharing it with all.

It takes some soul searching to do, but the results are well worth
the effort and time involved. I certainly don't discount the
contributions of web designers and SEO people in bringing our
content to the public in a form that is coherent and effective. They
are part of the team. But the message should come from the business
or whatever entity is represented by the site.

Peggy Deras, CKD, CID

Kitchen Artworks
www.kitchenartworks.com
Kitchen Design - Problem Solving - CAD Drafting - Cabinetry Design

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From: Jim Gatton
Subject: Gatekeepers

> I've encountered it. My point is this: when you
> ask for what you want you often get it.
        - Malcolm Fitzgerald, LED Digest 2411
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1815/55/

I had to laugh with Malcolm Fitzgerald's comment here and especially
with its context.

Sorry for the following, Adam, as I share that I tease a lady friend
for using ambiguous phrases and pass it off as "woman's talk". It
happens fairly often that I'm supposed to interpret and apply
non-direct comments that she makes. If I don't do something
appropriate in these cases it's typically because she didn't
specifically ask me to do something. (Umm, at other times it's just
a male thing, I guess. I really wasn't paying attention.)

In a restaurant she'll say to the waitress, "When you have time
would you get us some more coffee?"

At other times I say, "More coffee, please". Guess who gets quicker
service?

Well, the waitress didn't have time yet! She's busy serving other
people.

It's a lesson well learned by all of us to not assume people know
what we want unless we are very specific in our requests and sharing
our needs.

For instance, I want everyone reading this to smile and not accuse
me of being a male chauvinist pig.

Jim Gatton
information-on.org

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From: James Haley
Subject: Hotmail blocked

> So it appears Hotmail is blocking
> everything from my server.
        - George Miller, LED Digest 2412
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1816/55/

George,

It could be that someone else on your server is spamming and Hotmail
is penalizing the whole server. Dealing with the behemoth is not
going to be easy. Can you send your mail from a different server in
the interim until it gets resolved?

James Haley
http://www.911dating.com  a free dating network

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From: Michael Martinez
Subject: Google indexes

> Does Google have different databases in their different
> language versions... If not do they have different priorities?
> The results can anyhow be very different.
        - Lars Ekdahl, LED Digest 2412
        - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/1816/55/

Google just redesigned its search engine and by the time you read
this it should be visible and in use across all data centers.  This
is the second rewrite of their search engine in 2 years.  Call it
Google 3.0.

The Google you have been using since December 2005 through March
2006 was Google 2.0 -- better known as Bigdaddy.

Based on comments from Google employees and some sparse
documentation I have read on the Web, I would conclude that Google
has indeed been crawling and storing Web documents by language as
much as possible, although there are links between languages (for
example, much of my Tolkien work is linked to by people in Greek,
Hebrew, Polish, French, Spanish, and Italian -- perhaps other
languages as well).

With Google 3.0, we have been told to expect a new initiative to
emerge in the near future.  They call it Cross Language Information
Retrieval.  In essence, for queries that fail to return sufficient
documents in their native language, Google will search for relevant
documents in other languages.  They will score the relevance by
first translating those documents (if necessary) into English before
applying their algorithms.  It is my understanding that the results
sets will list the documents in their original languages but people
will obviously be provided with links for translation, if desired.

Google says they will launch Cross Language Information Retrieval in
12 languages to begin with and expand the capability as time goes on.

Whether they need a separate index for each language any more, I
don't know.  I would say they are working hard to make the whole
business transparent.

The chief characteristic of Google 3.0 is that they are integrating
results from Google Book Search, Google Blog Search, Google Image
Search, Google Local/Maps Search, Google News Search, and Google
Video Search into their Web search results pages.  The separate
vertical search options are still available, but Google says that we
should gradually see more results from those other types of searches
appear in the Web Search results.

So Google 3.0 could also be called Google Fully Integrated (or
Google More Fully Integrated).  They've also included a more
efficient navigation menu bar across their services to help people
use their network more easily.

My personal sites have been receiving hits from Google's translation
tool for some months already.  I suspect that as their Cross
Language Informationi Retrieval capability comes into play that I'll
see even more translation traffic.

In effect, this makes a larger part of the Web more easily
accessible to everyone, but the greatest benefit may be to those
people whose native languages currently have only small repositories
of Web content.

With respect to optimization and managing search visibility across
all these integrated data sectors, we'll just have to see how it
plays out.  Google has not abandoned its core PageRank philosophy.
Nor have they, I am sure, given up on determining which pages can be
trusted and which pages probably should not be trusted.

So I think that, despite the complete redesign of the search
engine's software, we're still playing by many of the same rules we
have gotten used to -- at least for the time being.  Google says the
transformation in results should be gradual, so any adjustments we
have to make in content and/or linking profiles may also only have
to be made incrementally or gradually.

I am guessing that we should have time to see how it all works and
figure out what (if anything) needs to be changed or added to our
content.

Michael Martinez
http://www.michael-martinez.com/

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