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May 7, 2008                       Issue no. 2641
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            .....IN THIS DIGEST.....


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    --== SEO Standards ==--

        ~ Michael Linehan
"Ultimate quality does not, necessarily,
lie in those with degrees."


==== CONTINUING =================

    --== Triangular Linking ==--

        ~ Dirk Johnson
"Reciprocation is a business choice, not
a religion."

    --== Basic CMS Functionality ==--

        ~ Shel Horowitz
"I strongly recommend moving OFF the wordpress
server and onto your own server."

        ~ Al Toman
"I found an excellent web-compliant text-editor..."

    --== SEO for Flash ==--

        ~ Al Toman
"Section 508 requires that all information
is accessible."


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From: Michael Linehan
Subject: SEO standards

From time to time there is a thread on the topic of the appalling so-
called work done by some Internet companies, with the corresponding call
for standards. There is an implicit assumption behind that such a call
that standards defined and controlled by a national or state body and
established universities provides a guarantee of a higher level of
quality.

While one can certainly bring up examples that would support such an
idea, I would suggest that just as many can be brought up that
contradict it. Just one dramatic example is that of midwives. Long ago,
in the US and Canada, many, if not most, births were attended by
midwives. Then doctors, as they gained influence, edged them out, and
took the act of childbirth under their own control.

The standards argument imply as self-evident that the much more highly
qualified doctors would be better "childbirth specialists". In fact, the
US, with the most medicalized, instrumentalized and doctor- controlled
birth system on the planet ranks far behind many other countries in
birth mortality. Those with the lowest birth mortality rates are also
countries (e.g. Sweden) which make much more extensive use of midwives.

At the same time, vast numbers of people each year die from taking
***professionally prescribed and correctly taken*** drugs, while the
medical industry works vigorously against herbal remedies, vitamins and
more. And living in Canada, I don't want to even discuss the HMO system
our many US readers are subject to! None of this is a great
advertisement for the prevailing method of "standards" control in the
medical area of our lives.

Almost everything today that cannot be done without a degree (often
graduate) was, not long ago, done by people with no degrees. How did
they get their knowledge?  Through living and through working. How did
they prove themselves?  By doing the work. Indeed, it is not that long
ago since one could join a law firm as a junior clerk with no
qualification, gradually learning and rising in responsibility, and
eventually become a fully-fledged lawyer.

Ultimate quality does not, necessarily, lie in those with degrees. One
can also come up with all kinds of examples how the standard educational
system is really in a state of crumbling decay - truancy rates in the
tens of percent in high schools, drugs in school, rampant emotional and
physical cruelty. Then even after enduring all that, a third of the
population in the US goes to university. How much of a guarantee of
quality is a degree under such a system? (Hooo, boy, some people are not
going to like this post.)

So let's not be so gung-ho in calling for standards. I think that we
should abhor a system which puts more and more control in that single
standard system of universities that then lead to professional
associations. Yes, I want to have some assurance that someone who can
kill me (i.e. a doctor), should have some kind of provable knowledge.
(But even then, when those qualifications are extensive, the emptor
still needs to caveat.)

As the saying goes, passing exams only proves one is good at passing
exams. I used to teach advanced physical skills to dancers, acrobats and
other physical performers. For many years, I was flown over to Europe
every year to teach for weeks or months at a time at a professional and
national dance company level. I was brought back many times by the same
people. I have no degrees or formal qualification in any kind of
physical training. No-one ever asked and no-one ever cared.

Maybe at least when one's life doesn't hang in the balance, it is a
better measure of quality that one does good work and can produce
clients who will say so.

Michael Linehan, Marketing Alchemy
www.marketing-alchemy.com


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From: Dirk Johnson
Subject: Triangular linking

Reciprocal linking was a sincere site-enhancing  method in the early
days of the Internet but it has degenerated to being a nuisance these
days (I know fellow LED reader Dirk will jump a this, but this is my
sincere opinion)."
    - Donald Nelson, LED 2638
    - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/2053/190/

Hi Donald,

I respect your opinion. Reciprocation is a business choice, not a
religion.

Based on my ongoing experience with this on a daily basis with hundreds
of sites, when done properly and with relevance, reciprocation still
works much like it did in the beginning. Especially within niche realms
of interest, it remains a very powerful marketing tool that still drives
a massive amount of direct traffic.

Certainly, there is "spam noise" associated with reciprocation, but even
that aspect seems to be less than it was two years ago. We now get far
fewer spam submissions to our link request forms than we have in the
past. I track this stuff. Maybe they've moved on to blog spam.

Within niches, plenty of site owners still willingly link to other site
owners in their niche, and many have been doing it for years They do not
link with irrelevant spammers. To them, it's a vital advantage. They've
seen it in their own stats. They do not continue to do this out of
ignorance. Like everything else in marketing, it has it's own unique
challenges, costs, and return on investment.

Again, it's a choice. Choosing to ignore such a powerful source of
relevant traffic, especially for niche sites, seems to be curious
marketing advice. Those who do it enjoy the advantages, those who don't,
don't.

Best regards,
Dirk Johnson
www.domaindrivers.com


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From: Shel Horowitz
Subject: CMS

> 4. But the biggest advantage is that you
> don't have to do anything at all about SEO.
> That all comes free.
>
> 5. As does the hosting.
    - James Miller, LED 2635
    - http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/2050/190/

I strongly recommend moving OFF the wordpress server and onto your own
server. I use WordPress, hosted on my own sites. Even if you have to pay
someone a (very) few bucks to set it up, you have control, and you have
access to all your content if the company decides one day to pull the
plug or start charging a service fee--and you don't have to worry aobut
censorship issues, which WordPress has already apparently been involved
with.

I've seen too many businesses destroyed by relying on no-cost outsourced
tools that suddenly got yanked out form under them.

Shel Horowitz
http://www.frugalmarketing.com


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From: Al Toman
Subject: CMS

Bill,

I ran into the exact problem that you are experiencing. I found an
excellent web-compliant text-editor created by a well-known scripter in
the web design community, Cameron Adams.  You can read about and
download the (free) editor here:

http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/01/27/

He uses it himself to compose the web pages of his blog.  It is nothing
fancy.  Straight and simple.  If you can type in a word processor, you
can type into this text-to-html editor.

I modified his code a bit so that it displays in-line images correctly.
Also, it needs to be tweaked to give it the functionality you need.  If
you need to discuss this, let me know.

The resultant files that are created in this editor are added to the
(selected) web page, usally into a div, using php include and decorated
using CSS.  The backend php script sets where the files belong, etc.

Image uploads are pretty simple and at the same time they can be tricky.
You'll want to protect your accounts servers from malicious uploads,
etc if they allow their "registered" users to upload.  Therefore, a
sessions password login script is required, as well.  We can talk about
these features too.  If you accounts add the images themselves, then, no
biggy.  The text editor requires that the images are uploaded,
obviously, and it's helpful if they're uploaded to a specific directory.
 This is so your accounts can remember the url to the images (required
by the text editor) easily.

You can setup one ADMIN PAGE (after log in) to handle the entire web
site in most cases, regardless if it is only for the accounts use or for
their "authorized" users.

This way you can update only the center column content, the left and
right column content remain as is, as an example.  I hope that that
helps.  Holler if you need anything further.

Al Toman
Web Design Your Business


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From: Al Toman
Subject: Flash SEO

Regardless if one is for or against all flash web sites, if one cares,
Section 508 requires that all information is accessible.  The flash NOT
being accessible, currently, a duplicate web page is required.  Said
page is to be black print on white background (of sorts though a grayed
background is preferred) consisting of text.

It is said that a dot GOV TLD is of great consequence in SEO and it is
said that one loses SEO points with SEs for duplicate content.  Most ALL
dot GOV web sites obtusely violate Section 508, not providing duplicate
accessible content as required.

Mahbe dey don' wanna lose them thar SEO points!?!

Al Toman


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