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How do you correct DMOZ listing errors? Does DMOZ even update its
listings anymore? There is much frustration apparent when dealing with this...

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List Moderator:                     Published by:
Adam Audette                          LED Digest
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August 22, 2006                     Issue no. 2230
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            .....IN THIS DIGEST.....


====== NEW ======================

        --== Rectifying DMOZ Listings ==--

                ~ Baruch Avraham
"My site is listed in DMOZ in a different title
than the actual title."


==== CONTINUING =================

        --== Hidden Frames & Search Engines ==--

                ~ Brad Waller
"...ask them to set up a sub-domain for you."

                ~ Will Bontrager
"...a PHP script could retrieve the page at their
site and publish it on your page, at your URL..."

        --== HTML Editor Recommendations ==--

                ~ Michael Linehan
"I've got to strongly speak against this idea of
hand-coding."

                ~ Mark Roberts
"Another good editor..."

                ~ Angsuman Chakraborty
"Overall my experience has been very positive
with nvu."

                ~ Judith Baar
"Though primitive, I use Notepad for my web pages."

        --== Hijacked ==--

                ~ Peter D'Aprix
"I know next to nothing addressed in several
of the posts and questions."

                <Moderator Comment>

                ~ Rich Dudley
"...web servers are set to look for a default
document to display..."


==== BILLBOARD ===================

        --== AOL Search Blunder ==--
                ~ GJ Berg


========== NEW ===================================

From: Baruch Avraham
Subject: Rectifying DMOZ Listings

Hello all,

My site is listed in DMOZ in a different title than the actual
title. I have noticed that same title is in Google and MSN search
results. Could this be the reason that my site dropped very much in
Google and MSN? And if so , could anyone advise me, what I should do.

Best regards,

Baruch Avraham

Aris Jewelry
www.aris-titanium.com
aris, 013.net


======== CONTINUING ===============================

From: Brad Waller
Subject: Hidden frames

> From what we understand, by using
> hidden frames, we have no opportunity
> for the search engines to crawl the site
        - Chuck Woo, LED 2229

There are other alternatives.  Instead of the hidden frame, ask them
to set up a sub-domain for you.  They are already giving you
branding on their page, so ask them if they can give you a
sub-domain such as "store.earwaxonline.com" which can be mapped to
their IP address of 12.8.3.35. That way they still provide the
service, but you get the domain branding.

If you look at what we have done for our top affiliates such as
Bronco Graveyard you can see that we have given them
classifieds.broncograveyard.com which is mapped to our own server.
There is more that we have done to make sure the content and
branding are appropriate for each of our affiliates who we offer
this service to, but this is no different from what your service
provider could do for you.

Brad Waller, VP
http://adjungle.com
waller, adjungle.com


-------- new post - same topic --------

From: Will Bontrager
Subject: Hidden frames

> I am looking for suggestions on how we can
> add keywords and tags to these hidden frames
> pages to increase our search position.
        - Chuck Woo, LED 2229

Good to see your participation, Chuck Woo.

When the content displayed within frames is a web page on someone
else's site, spiders scanning the page will assign their findings to
the URL at the other folks' site. If you have permission from the
other site's owners to do so, a PHP script could retrieve the page
at their site and publish it on your page, at your URL, where
spiders can scan it on your web site. With a bit of programming,
meta tags could be changed, body copy added / removed, and other
modifications made to customize the page.

It is of course prudent to obtain permission first. Otherwise,
copyright issues may bring expensive legal problems.

Will Bontrager
http://willmaster.com/contact.shtml


-------- new post - new topic --------

From: Michael Linehan
Subject: HTML editors

> I strongly recommend that you invest
> the time to learn HTML...
        - Jere Matlock, LED 2229

I've got to strongly speak against this idea of hand-coding.

I've been making websites since the first days of World Wide Web
Weaver 1.  So I used to hand-code.  Anything beyond p, h1 etc, and
bold was done by hand --- <, t, r, > and so on.  For every tiny
element.  With even a modest modern website, this rapidly becomes
incredibly laborious and time-consuming.

We don't all hand-code our own Photoshop filters.  Why not?   We
don't hand-code our formatting in Word.  We don't hand-code our
PowerPoint demonstrations.  Yes, by all means, have enough knowledge
that you can go in a fix a little glitch, or clean up redundant div
tags.  But do the same with websites as you do with anything else
you do on the computer ---- use the most powerful tool that you can,
while balancing that power with ease of use and time to learn.  (For
me, that means Dreamweaver or GoLive.)

Michael Linehan, Marketing Alchemy
http://www.marketing-alchemy.com


-------- new post - same topic --------

From: Mark Roberts
Subject: HTML Editor

> I wonder whether anyone can suggest
> a good HTML editor.
        - Richard Majewski, LED 2230

Another good editor... if you don't mind the fact that it is free
is:  Y2K Matrix. http://www.crystalfibers.com/index.php?topicid=20

It is an excellent editor.

Mark Roberts
http://www.robertscomputing.com


-------- new post - same topic --------

From: Angsuman Chakraborty
Subject: HTML editors

You can use nvu ( http://www.nvu.com/index.php ). It works on Linux,
Windows and Mac.

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"A complete Web Authoring System for Linux desktop users as well as
Microsoft Windows and Macintosh users to rival programs like
FrontPage and Dreamweaver. Nvu (which stands for "new view") makes
managing a web site a snap. Now anyone can create web pages and
manage a website with no technical expertise or knowledge of HTML."
---------------------

Overall my experience has been very positive with nvu.

Best,

Angsuman Chakraborty


-------- new post - same topic --------

From: Judith Baar
Subject: HTML editors

Though primitive, I use Notepad for my web pages.  When time permits
I think I'll take a look at Note Tab Pro as this sounds good:

> In Note Tab Pro, with a single key stroke you
> can see what your pages look like in IE or FF.
        - Jere Matlock, LED 2229

My favorite book is:

"Cascading style sheets : designing for the Web," Hakon Wium Lie,
Bert Bos.

I wish that was the first book I read and started from scratch
there.  I saw the book at the library and didn't get it at first as
I thought it was more advanced and would look at it later.  If
memory serves, they thought up CSS.

Judith Baar
JBsImages.us


-------- new post - new topic --------

From: Peter D'Aprix
Subject: Hijacked

Just an intermediate update and a thank you to those who have
responded with in depth thought, time and help. To preface; I am a
visual designer with little aptitude for the complexity of the
engineering of the back end of the internet. I know next to nothing
addressed in several of the posts and questions. I have actually
sent your questions and suggestions for actions to the host server
seanic.net both to get answers and give them suggestions to follow
up.

But Cheryl Berry had a very clear set of excellent questions [issue
2227]. I'll give you the best answers I have at the moment.

> (4) how do you access your server - FTP, VPN, desktop
> and what programs do you use for that access?

I build my site using Adobe GoLive and use their FTP program to
upload and manage files / folders on the server.

> (5) how often do you review directories
> and files on that server?

Probably not often enough. I briefly check things out when I upload
new story pages, but I don't usually comb through the directories.

> (6) how often do you change passwords for that server?

I have not done so in years until now. I think this nonchalance will
be changing from now on!

> (7) who do you 'know' has access to the server?

I don't know anyone who has access on my end. Of course the server
side folks and their assignees would know who has access from their
end.

A few more comments.

I visited the link Adam posted [issue 2227] and found it interesting
but way above my head. What I can say is other than my own
directories on the hosting server, there is only a CGI directory
which appears to be empty and two files called ".autoreply.msg" and
".autoreply.msg2". No .htaccess or other files, folders or
directories.

I am thinking after reading all your posts and the forum links, that
perhaps "high jacking" is not quite the right description since my
site was not replaced nor was the domain name redirected to another
site or page nor to these porn files that were camping out on my
server space. Perhaps "parasitic" is more accurate.

Peter D'Aprix, Executive Editor

GourmetVoyageurs - food and travel e-Magazine
http://www.gourmetvoyageurs.com

<Moderator Comment>

To provide further information, here's part of Brian White's
response to Peter. Brian is a Google employee:

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"Hi Peter,

"Thanks for sharing your story. It's important that more people
understand the particulars of different varieties of site
defacement. These actions are requiring site owners to be more
vigilant over the files within their own hosting accounts,
unfortunately.

"From Google's perspective, we often see sites that are under new
ownership by spammers, and they keep organic pages around as red
herrings to throw casual observers off the scent. We err on the side
of doing what's right for the user, and in your case, we did remove
the site from our results.

"It sounds like you have remedied the problem for now. I checked to
see if you have submitted a reinclusion request, and I see none for
gourmetvoyageurs.com. I recommend that you follow these instructions
to submit a reinclusion via Google Webmaster Central (recently
Google Sitemaps):

http://www.google.com/support/webma...py?answer=35843

"If you include the same text as in this thread, the folks
responsible for reinclusions will undoubtedly schedule a
reinclusion."

http://tinyurl.com/l27rq  [forums.searchenginewatch.com]
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I highly recommend setting up a site map via their "Webmaster
Central" service. It's free, handy, and in this case, critical for
speedy reinclusions.

Hope this helps,
Adam


-------- new post - same topic --------

From: Richard J. Dudley
Subject: Hijacked

> 9) Place an index.html in every folder
        - Quoted in LED 2228

In regards to point #9, web servers are set to look for a default
document to display in response to a URL request.   If there is no
default document, the server often returns a listing of the files in
the folder (or an error page if the "directory browsing" option is
disallowed).

If a file list is displayed on a server which is not properly locked
down and patched, hackers can literally write files directly to your
website.  Fortunately, most hosts are on the ball and keep their
systems locked down, but this is one reason why I avoid the cheapest
hosts.

When you have an index.html or default.aspx page in your directory,
this page is shown, and even if it's just blank, your site's attack
surface is greatly reduced.

Web servers have a list of index / default docs to look for, usually
"index" and "default" with all the common extensions -- htm, html,
asp, aspx, php, etc.  You or your host can modify this list to suit
your needs.

Rich Dudley
www.bloomery.com


==== BILLBOARD ===================================

From: GJ Berg
Subject: AOL searches

> I'm sure you saw this week how AOL made
> a mistake by releasing search data for some
> 20 million searches.
        - Moderator Comment, LED 2223

Fallout begins.  CTO fired.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/21/aolcto/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

GJ Berg


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